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When America fields a math Olympiad team, it’s 60-100% Chinese. Our AI researchers are predominantly Chinese. Many of our premiere hardware companies are run by Chinese. Even Musk’s companies, America’s pride, the person in charge of cars is Chinese. We are apparently suddenly dead set on competing with China, which, as it turns out, has a lot of Chinese. While I think Chinese people are great, I don’t think there’s anything magical about them prevents non-Chinese from competing. But the fact remains that when we go head to head with China, oftentimes our best and brightest are Chinese and so it’s going to be hard to compete given that they have over 100x the number we do. "But our Chinese are better than their Chinese." The idea is that China is a communist or socialist country and thus cannot have good outcomes, that it's just teetering on the verge of collapse. I don't even know what to call China's government, but it seems to spend less as a % of GDP than our "capitalist" government does and they've been on a historic run so that doesn't make much sense to me. So if you put these things together, competing with China, one of the greatest civilizations of all time with 4x the number of people (or 2x, depending on who you ask) is going to be pretty hard. So what should America do about that? Well, first, it should probably be asking the question: "Do we even need to compete at all?" I mean we could — gasp — just... cooperate? But, whatever, let's forget that. Let's compete, it's fun, especially if we do so economically and not militarily. Let the best country with the best product win. What are the 3 things America needs to do? 1. Understand how we got here 2. Understand who they are 3. Understand who we are 1. A long time ago I used to tell people that China was going to eat America's lunch and I was laughed at. We were and still are arrogant (just read the replies). It is that arrogance that got us into this predicament. We need to abandon it ASAP. 2. We need to understand China better. China is not a communist country. It's sort of socialist, but so are we. We need to watch and learn from what they are doing and take the best bits and just copy them. There's nothing wrong with that, especially if it makes the lives of our people better. 3. We need to understand ourselves. America is a unique place with a unique culture. Not everything China does will work for us and vice versa. We cannot compete with China head on. We must compete with China in a uniquely American way, we must be competing asymmetrically, playing to our strengths, avoiding theirs. Those are just my thoughts that absolutely no one will take seriously. We are quite far from even putting aside our arrogance. So it goes. We'll have to learn this one the hard way.
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Elena Song 🤯
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Start by translating Chinese books. You are so arrogant that you almost never translate books from China. Most English books I want to read have Chinese translation.
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Frank
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Economically they are not as communist anymore, still are but they do blend more socialist. Politically and socially, it’s not even a question they are communist. It’s in their constitution, they openly admit to it.
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James Lin 🇺🇸 TW 🇺🇦
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The problem with cooperation is as the CCP gains more power in our economy and institutions we will have to start self censoring for their authoritarian sensibilities which would erode what makes the US great.
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Unbelief
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The vast majority of foreign adults are not as good as ordinary Chinese primary school students in arithmetic, and everyone is unwilling to face reality.🤣
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Ryan Milton 弥瑞恩
@1860rm
I appreciate this commentary because it is exactly what I have been thinking about. In 150 A.D., China had already mastered paper making, and that technology did not even reach Europe until 1400 A.D. 132 AD, Han Dynasty polymath Zhang Heng invented the houfeng didong yi, the
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D. Malcolm Carson
@dmalcolmcarson
Been thinking about this same question a lot lately. To an extent the question was asked and answered in the last century, we decided increasingly at various points along the way that China was not the Soviet Union and that we were not in a Cold War with them, but something else.
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Turing Complete
@CompleteTuring
In theory, if America actually lived up to its values and harnessed its strengths, there could be quite a vibrant, virtuous competition. It would be great for America, great for the world, and even great for China. But instd we have a speedrun in decline and crashout.
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Peter Huynh
@peterdeptrai
You are too optimistic. I think the best hope for America is to avoid becoming unstable like Brazil. Its Chinese century now. But the American brand is still good, like a Patek watch, it’s an illusion of grandeur, hot and sexy for many that can afford it.
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Survivor (perp mode)
@defi_yee
i still dont understand why people think china is a communist country, i went to there several times and i would say most of them there have a capitalist mindset and government policies wer a hybrid of socialism and capitalism (maybe 20/80) yes they cant speak bad abt their
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saku
@funisnotenough
Globalists haven't infected their media and education. Everything else is downstream from that fact.
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Sotheary
@Lord_Sotheary
The thing about China is that almost all Chinese citizens buy into the CCP ideology and Chinese nationalism. Most are on the same page culturally, ethically and politically. And that’s by design by the CCP. Do you feel that’s a better system than what’s currently going on in the
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Kyle.Moon τ
@GanseKyle
I have said this before the only way to beat china at its game is to become like them in some manner. Biden admin with its Chips act and other manufacturing investment policies was heading in this direction. Its good to focus on competing and cooperating where possible.
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ib
@Indian_Bronson
Refusing to believe anyone else has anything to teach you and becoming technologically and socially stagnant is precisely what happened to China, allowing it to be overcome by the West in the first place. Took a long time to get back from there.
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PaganTech
@PaganTech
All you need to do is provide good education and micronutrient rich school food to all school kids especially the poor ones. But America refuses to do such a thing and so narrows the pool of available talent.
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Stella Chen
@stellachenyl
Chinese mindset tbh Jews can find loopholes in existing regulations very well But it takes a Chinese to just grind and grind 10x value to the point that they optimize the entire business while not pissing people off. That's why Chinese are so successful.
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Charles Crandall
@Charles78947050
Jews were similar and yet were largely loyal to America and the West. They worked with gentiles and hired gentiles. But that was partly out of necessity. There are only so many Jews to go around. Chinese only need Chinese. A matter of both population size and ability.
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M
@011235813H
America is not exceptional anymore. It’s just another country now. For anything the USA does there is some country that does that thing more and better.
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Ockham’s Fist
@OckhamFist
Retarded take. The industrial gap has less to do with human capital and quantities of it then it does extreme, state-led industry build-outs over decades
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Trifles 🐀
@UsedTrifles
IMO is an outstanding predictor of exceptional mathematical talent, but research-level mathematics requires creativity, persistence, and decades of work beyond competition mathematics. We don't know what, if any, contribution these AI researchers do, but we do know a lot of
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Confusian Calvinist
@mkultraenjoyer2
American hubris will doom us to at least one great defeat… Those in the know have been saying this for the last 30 years. We won’t be able to lock in and compete till we suffer a humiliation…
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Dystopian Future
@Dystop1anFvtvre
China has roughly 4x the population the US does, but they have roughly 9x the population of people with an IQ of 120 or higher. In particular, the US has 60 million blacks out of 340 million people that are net drags on society, especially from an IQ/knowledge work perspective.
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Brendan 欧瑞利 - Everyone is Wrong About China
@oreillyasia
Drop me a line and I'll send you a copy of my book *Everyone is Wrong About China - The Myths and Realities of Sino-US Competition* tldr: 🇨🇳 will continue to grow in relative power This is not necessarily a disaster for 🇺🇸 🇨🇳 does not want to (and can't) dominate the way 🇺🇸 did
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Yael
@skatamoutro
I don’t get why we don’t just work with them. Imagine how much we could accomplish with their work ethic and our capital. Instead, we’re all playing this rooster game trying to be the top dawg on the block.
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Mao Zedong
@schnarfing
Americans need to stop saying "we" when they are talking about the US government or military doing something.
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UFO Crypto Dev (👽,Ξ)
@2021Ufo
also if you are a math gifted us citizen and score 800M SAT as white/asian, you will be discriminated against and getting into top 20 college will be hard. so why study hard when system will place you at say Rutgers U anyway, and place 550M children of "migrants" at an Ivy?
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UFO Crypto Dev (👽,Ξ)
@2021Ufo
compounding this problem is the fact that the us treats its phd technical talent atrociously (7y phd+15y tenure clock if you are lucky to get a job paying 80k/y at university). it makes ZERO sense for smart us citizen to get a phd in anything; much better to be a laywer
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RVing Orchardist
@ScubaMikeBTC
if Michael Pettis is correct the only way to compete with them is to force them to allow citizens to have more of the economic surplus or take a significant amount of it away from our citizens and point it toward productivity. China wont budge. So whose going to tell the
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Anglojlo
@KKrys1010
Part of me thinks the 2 governments are working together since nixon and they just tell their respective populace otherwise.
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Energy Donk
@energydonk
The US is currently in a de-evolution phase, many are abandoning science, technology, while refusing to cut loose what seemed all the rage in the 50's. You're correct here & some of us see it, as they say "pride comes before the fall".
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James X
@WriteTheFutureJ
How do you deal with the things that call home and act as surveillance devices, and IP theft through cooperation? Just asking, not trying to make a point.
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白岩
@shuimaojin
Could cooperate, but "we" won't; the good news is that this induces and helps sustain alternative development there
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J
@NewOpenMindset
Cooperation and healthy competition are great for humanity. China is no where near communist country. It is more like regulated capitalism society. The only major risk now is WW III.
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SBD
@SBDResearch
American culture versus Chinese culture. One values individuality while the other values unity. The US consists of disorganized leaders who don't fundamentally value intellectualism. They're trying to compete with a futuristic hivemind civilization.
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BowTied Detective 🇺🇸
@BowTiedDetektiv
Congress stands in the way of America's progress. They aren't setting the right agenda and have no vision for the country that would improve the country. They aren't going for economic power play moves. Meanwhile, Democrats want us to look more like Europe or the third-world.
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Wanderer
@PostingATweet
it's impossible. this is only the beginning. their lead will continue to grow exponentially in every important sector, the same way their energy graphs look compared to ours (4x). Elon already said recently China will be #1 in AI
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3lz14crs
@3lz14crs
USA need to fix problems internally. I would start with this: (1) The fact that a small percent of the population commit a huge percent of crime is a big issue. (2) you spend money on socialist or woke policies with no benefits. (3) the parasites that suck money (ex Somalians)
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Winky 😉🇺🇸🇹🇼
@AsianWinky
Have you ever wondered why CCP is still in control even with what you’ve just written? Just imagine if CCP loses full control of China and China becomes democratic and with more freedom. …… I can. It’ll be Taiwan on steroids Imagine that
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rusty fly
@fly_rusty
you always need to keep in mind of the clear line that, chinese <>Ccp(china). Then you will feel better of US policy
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Johnnie.A.Lot.of.Numbers
@JonnyCapitalist
Each country’s goal should be to compete against the best possible version of themselves that people aspire to be…we can put nations on charts with made up numbers like GDP but in reality each follow their own trajectory/cycles..China’s time has arrived and USA is disintegrating
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Autumn2002
@May26221182
I am a Chinese. I came to the US 20+ years ago .There is no magic about China or Chinese people. we just do not believe in miracle but believe in our efforts. We study, we work and our community will improve.
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Thao
@ThaoDien23
You rambled. Here’s the crux of it. They are our competitors for sure, and most think America’s adversary. We need their talent, let them attend our uni’s and work here, but tread carefully with the country itself.
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antillajon
@antillajon
Born USA they are Americans. Or if they naturalized as Americans they are same, Are some perm res? Yeah sure.Ethnic I am Finnish, so what? Ethnic you may be Itialian or etc. So f'ing what? Many in engnr'ing are from Indian bckrnd. Parents from cultures that care about education.
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Don Vin
@Donny_V
China is Communist at the government level. Planning and resource distribution all happen at the top. But they are Capitalists at the business level. China has more billionaires then the US. Unions in China aren't really independent. They're controlled by the state.
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