How to solve homelessness: what specific laws we need, how to get it past the opposition, all without being an asshole
Here’s a mystery for you: why the hell isn’t homelessness solved yet?
I grew up on the West Coast and I thought everybody had this problem, but the more I’ve traveled, the more I’ve seen something puzzling - it’s just us.
Other places have homeless people, but it’s just not the same quality or quantity. You can travel to any other first world city in the world, and hardly ever see somebody visibly homeless, then come back and be kicked in the heart with such overt suffering and awfulness.
Why are we failing at something that everybody else seems to be doing better at?
Or, more optimistically - if everybody else is doing better, that means it is solvable, and what are they doing that we can copy?
In this post I’ll:
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Diagnose the problem.
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Propose a concrete solution, including how to get it past the people who’ve been blocking the necessary reforms.
If you already agree on the diagnosis, I recommend skipping to the solution section (ctrl-f “The key idea”).
How to not de-rail the homelessness conversation
The two most common ways the conversation gets de-railed are:
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Some people are trying to help the homeless. Some people are trying to fix the problem of finding visible homelessness unsightly and scary. I am only trying to help the homeless themselves in this post.
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Some people are just trying to solve homelessness specifically. Some people are trying to help the homeless get back to a relatively normal level of welfare, which means not just fixing their homelessness, but also their mental illness, addiction, employment, abusive family, etc. I am going to focus only on solving homelessness. Solving everything else is for another post or 20,000.
This isn’t to say I don’t care about those other problems. However, I am but a humble writer. I think I can simply solve homelessness in a blog post.
Also, this post will focus on SF and California, but much of it cross-applies to the whole West Coast of North America, including British Columbia.
Housing costs determine how many people become homeless. Drugs and mental health determine who becomes homeless
Want to help one specific person? Treat what went wrong for them.
Want fewer homeless people overall? Build more housing.
Both matter.
They're just answers to different questions.
Think of it like a game of musical chairs with 10 people and 9 chairs, where housing are the chairs.
You can give the slow kid sprinting lessons.
There are still nine chairs.
Somebody has to lose the game. It will probably be the slower kid (the person with disabilities or drug addictions).
If you ask the kid why they’re chairless, they’ll say it’s because they’re slower than the other kids. Which is true.
But it’s the proximate cause.
The structural, distal cause is that there are not enough chairs.
“But surely, Kat, some homeless people are just too messed up to afford housing, no matter how cheap we make it?”
Yes, you’re right. Some of the homeless people are not part of the market, they are unemployable, so the market cannot fix their problems.
This leads to an important distinction between the types of homeless people. ~80% of the homeless in SF are temporarily homeless. They will likely only be homeless once in their life, for a relatively brief period of time, then they’ll pull themselves back onto the rungs of society.
It’s easier for them to pull themselves out when there’s low rent and high vacancy rates, so lowering housing costs helps this group.
Cheap housing also does something sneakier: it shrinks the future chronic population. Nobody starts out chronically homeless. You become chronic by staying homeless: you lose your ID, the couches run out, the untreated illnesses compound, and you're sleeping next to fentanyl every night (exposure is a massive cause of addiction). The faster people bounce back onto the ladder, the fewer of them ever harden into the group that needs the expensive solution.
For the chronically homeless, who are in it for the long term and potentially for life, we need a different solution. The solution is permanent supportive housing (PSH). It’s a room of their own, provided by the government, either via vouchers or directly, where the building itself concentrates a bunch of services to treat the common problems, such as drug addiction and schizophrenia.
This works. As Scott Alexander puts it, the evidence that giving people housing makes them housed is overwhelming. (The evidence that it fixes the addiction or mental illness underneath is much weaker. Which is fine. Because in this article we’re only solving the homelessness problem.)
Why hasn’t SF already done this?
Trick question: they have!
Just not nearly enough.
Because you know how hard it is to build buildings in SF? You know how hard it is to even turn an abandoned building into a innocent and beloved ice cream shop? Now imagine trying to build a house for the worst off homeless people, the ones with the most disruptive and probably permanent problems?
SF already runs one of the biggest supportive housing systems in America: roughly 16,000 units, more per capita than almost any city. And it's still losing. Because building a new unit of PSH in SF costs $600,000 to $1 million.
Compare that to Finland, which just converted its shelters into apartments (2,121 shelter beds in 1985, 52 by 2016) and cut homelessness roughly 80% since the 1980s.
Or Houston, which houses people for about $18,000 a year each, and cut homelessness 63%. Not because Houston is generous. It spends less on the homeless than almost any major city. Houston can afford to house people because Houston has cheap apartments to put them in.
Which then leads us to the question:
Why is SF housing so damn expensive? Vetoes, zoning, and entrenched interests, oh my!
Housing costs are a simple matter of supply and demand. If demand is high, that will push costs up. Which usually leads to supply providing more, which will drive the costs down again.
Unless supply is blocked.
Which is what happens in SF and a lot of expensive cities.
“But Kat, SF isn't expensive because of supply. It's expensive because it's full of rich people bidding up prices." Half true! Demand here is enormous. But demand is enormous in Tokyo and Dallas too, and they're cheap, because when demand rises there, they build, and the demand shows up as new apartments. When demand rises in SF, the demand shows up as price, because the number of homes barely moves. Same demand, opposite outcomes.
And notice which half of the equation you'd actually want to change: the only way to lower demand is to make SF a worse place to live.
Supply is the only lever that doesn't involve sabotaging your own city.
In SF it’s not uncommon for it to take 3 years just to get the permission to build. Let alone actually building the thing.
Compare this to Houston at about two weeks. Or Calgary at four to five months.
So what’s going on? Isn’t SF full of builders? Why is a city full of builders so bad at building actual buildings?
The proximate cause of SF sucking at building buildings is vetoes
Imagine you are a developer trying to build a building in SF. You check to make sure that your building meets the stated laws. It does. You submit some extensive forms and wait 3 months for review. A neighbor says that they’re worried about a shadow. It’s scheduled for them to discuss this 14 months from now.
Honestly, I could keep going, but writing it was giving me flashbacks to the worst bureaucracy I’ve ever experienced (registering a charity in India) and I don’t want to inflict that on myself or anybody else. Kafka bureaucracy stories are horrific and boring to experience and read about. If you want some concrete micro-stories Claude wrote to get a sense, check out here.
Suffice to say it’s a series of vetoes, where even if everybody on the block is fine with the building, a single no can stop or slow down the whole thing. The biggest ones are:
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Discretionary review, as compared to ministerial review. Ministerial review is how most of the world does it, where if you follow the law, you by default get approved by an administrator. Discretionary review means it’s up to the discretion of the administrators and even your neighbors. Instead of clear rules, you get vibes.
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CEQA approval. It’s meant to be an environmental law, but people were given a veto lever, and they started using for everything under the sun. Don’t give people a stop-everything button. Some people will press it.
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There’s a 5 department relay that takes ~600 days to go through. If nothing goes wrong. Something always goes wrong. Each department gets an opportunity to slow you down.
It’s important to say that this is not democratic. It’s not that if the majority of people on a block don’t want something, it doesn’t happen. It’s if anybody says no.
Most insanely - you could be following all of the rules and this will still happen. It’s up to the discretion of a bajillion people.
It would be like a group dinner where the restaurant choice needs unanimous approval. One person's vegan, one’s a carnivore, one hates Italian, one's gluten-free. You probably just . . . won’t eat. And in SF you probably just . . . won’t build.
This is different than how most of the world works. Most of the world does zoning where by default you’re allowed to build as long as you are following the local rules. You check the rules, fill out a form, an administrator checks you are indeed following the rules, gives it a stamp, and you’re ready to go.
Most places take a few weeks to a few months to get permission to build. SF takes an average of 523 days just for planning approval, then another 605 days to issue the building permit for the already-approved project - about three years.
It’s the difference between a vending machine and an interview. If you have enough money, a vending machine will simply give you what you pay for. The vending machine doesn’t question whether you’re worthy of a snack. An interview is up to the discretion of the interviewer and is opaque and even if you look great on paper, you can be rejected for any reason.
But it’s not all bad news! The state has actually spent the last few years dismantling most of this machine. Since 2024, under a law called SB 423, any SF apartment project that follows the zoning rules gets approved ministerially in three to six months. No discretionary hearings, no Board of Supervisors. In 2025 the state gutted CEQA for infill housing too, and put shot clocks on the five-department relay. For the kind of building that follows the rules, the vending machine is finally installed.
So SF is booming now, right?
. . . Right?
More than 8,000 units sit fully approved, permits in hand. . . but nothing’s being built.
Because two other blockers are still standing.
Which brings us to the fees.
SF made it unprofitable to build buildings
Builders aren’t building because according to the city’s own calculations, exactions have simply made it unprofitable to build.
What are exactions? They’re basically “you can build here, but you must include X% of your units below market rates / pay some of SF's twenty-plus separate impact fees (transit, schools, parks, childcare) / pay union-level wages / upgrade the sidewalk while you're at it / etc."
Exactions are not bad in and of themselves. They’re like taxes. Taxes broadly help provide public goods that the market wouldn’t provide on its own. But just like taxes, exactions can get too high, and then people stop working, just leave, or lead a revolution. Developers aren’t usually your revolutionary types, so they usually just don’t build or switch jobs. That's why today SF technically could have more than 8,000 units built - they're fully approved, entitlements in hand - but nobody has signed up to build them. They'd lose money.
To be fair, the city has noticed. In 2023 it cut its inclusionary percentage by roughly a third, cut impact fees by a third, and let developers defer 80% of fees until opening. Still not enough. The city's own most recent study found that even at zero inclusionary, buildings don't pencil.
This needs to be fixed on top of removing the vetoes before we can expect housing supply to increase, thus leading to a lowering of costs.
SF made it illegal to build dense housing
SF decided it wasn’t enough to make it unprofitable and painfully slow to build. They also outlawed the type of housing most people need.
Do you want to work in SF? Well, you have to commute every day. But all of the areas with a reasonable commute have already become single family homes. The only way to fit more people within a reasonable commute from work, you need to build up. You need apartments.
So of course, SF zoned about two-thirds of its residential land for single-family houses only, and capped most of the rest of the city at 40 feet.
This means that even if you take 3 years to get permission to build, you still cannot build enough on the lot to make a dent in the supply.
Why would they do something so silly?
Enter stage left:
There’s an organized group who doesn’t want things to change. They like things this way
Remember the loveable old man in Up (Carl)? Who refuses to move while the evil developers destroy his neighborhood?
This is the person who is blocking building in SF.
I like using Carl as an example because it’s great for empathy.
Carl is not a bad person. And he’s not wrong in some ways. His house is more beautiful than those large soulless skyscrapers.
Not to mention he loved his home and the neighborhood. It’s not simply replaceable with another home and neighborhood. He is losing something important and real if his neighborhood changes.
It also shows what can happen if you go too far in the other direction, where you give developers all the power. It’s what happens in China when they simply kick out people who’ve lived there for generations to build something shiny and new.
If Carl lived in SF, he wouldn’t have to face this. He would simply have vetoed the building next to his house, and it would have stayed the same.
Except, of course, then it would lead to massive rents, leading to mass homelessness, and programmers having to live in bunkbeds in a bedroom of 8 people. It shows the single identifiable victim instead of the diffuse victims.
And here’s the kicker - the victims can’t vote on this. Zoning is done at the city level in SF, and largely at the neighborhood level in practice, since supervisors answer to tiny districts, so the people who'd most benefit from cheaper housing don't live there yet and can't vote on it.
This is unlike in most other parts of the world where zoning is done by a body a level up, so people can vote on it who don’t already live in the affected neighborhoods.
This is why it’s best to do the proposed laws at the state level. Then the people who are affected can vote for this. A neighborhood of Carls will never vote for change.
But it’s important to sit with our empathy for Carl for a moment. We really don’t want to become the soulless developers who steamroll over him.
The key idea: give people the ability to opt-out. Respect autonomy while still changing the default option to yes.
Let people, at a block level, opt out of the specific thing they really care about.
If you can get the majority of people on your block to vote to opt out, you’re all good.
I love this because it does two things at once:
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It takes down the main motivation of the opposition group. The people who keep blocking this for everybody else will be fine if they can opt out. They don’t care about other neighborhoods changing. They just care about their own.
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It actually respects their values and avoids being authoritarian. I’m not a libertarian by any stretch, but I hate it when people force me to do something. I don’t want to do that to somebody else unless it’s a really extreme circumstance. High housing costs is not an extreme circumstance. This helps us avoid going to the other extreme, of just bulldozing the opposition.
I got this idea from Houston. Houston is the poster child of affordable housing in a high demand city. Part of the way they got to this situation is they allowed this block level opt out system.
About 16% of them opted out. Meaning 84% didn't.
It’s an open question how many people would opt-out in SF. It could be higher than Houston. That doesn’t matter unless it gets pretty crazy (which is quite unlikely). If even 50% of SF opted out, going from 0% of SF can build to 50% can would be insane for rental costs.
It might make sense to make an exception for housing next to public transit hubs, since that’s so particularly important for providing housing to the poorer people. But that’s for the legal folks to figure out.
The general thing is we’re not here to bully. If you really care and enough people on your block do too, you can opt out of all of this.
It just changes the default. Before the default was that nobody can build unless you get everybody on board. Now the default will be that people can build, unless the majority of your block is against it.
But hasn’t this already been tried and it didn’t work?
You've already seen this play out. Remember the vending machine nobody used? The state spent years removing the process vetoes (see appendix), and production didn't budge, because the exactions and zoning blockers were still standing. Every partial reform 'fails' this way, and every failure becomes ammunition for people who say reform doesn't work.
The problem with blockers is that if you get rid of one, you still have all of the other ones.
You need to get rid of all of them.
This is an example of the Law of the Minimum. This is a fancy way of saying “you can only go as fast as your limiting factor.” It’s like getting your family out of the house. If you’ve got everybody in the car, but there’s one lolligagger still in bed, you’re not going anywhere.
The problem with SF housing is that if you get everything right but you miss something along the chain, it all breaks. That doesn’t mean it’s impossible. It just means that it’s hard and you shouldn’t expect much in the way of changes until you get all the pieces.
How to stop the game of whack-a-mole: police outputs, not inputs
The problem with almost all legal reform here is that you are not playing against a static opposition. If you pass one law, they’ll find a workaround.
But there’s a solution to this: legislate outcomes, not process.
Pass a law at the state level saying:
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Cities must permit at least X units per year.
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If you do so, you get to keep your local zoning rules.
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If you fail to do so, you automatically switch to the state mandated zoning system, which is by-right building (the vending machine model), being able to build up, anything not approved within X days gets approved by default, fees capped, etc.
Right now with most legislation, they’re rewarded for coming up with ways to delay building or come up with different ways to block it. But in this model, that would be self-defeating. If they come up with a way to delay building, then the law will detect this and switch them to a zoning that they hate even more.
It doesn’t matter the workaround they find - it’ll get noticed in the outcome metrics.
This has actually already been tried with great success in the civil rights fight.
For 70 years, Congress kept trying to legislate away the Jim Crow tricks.
They banned the grandfather clause, so they introduced literacy tests. Congress banned those, and then they introduced “understanding clauses”. Black voter registration stayed at 7%.
Then in 1965, Congress changed to measuring the outputs, not the inputs: any county that had less than 50% registration would lose control of their own election process.
Finally, registration went to 60%.
Cross-apply this to housing. Stop legislating individual zoning rules. Legislate the outputs.
What about the homeless who refuse shelter?
What if we build all of this housing, fast and cheaply, and then they refuse to live there?
You might have heard that a lot of the homeless could be in a shelter but refuse. This is true, but irrelevant.
Temporary shelters are but a stop gap for helping the homeless. And they kinda suck. You might refuse them too.
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They split it by gender, so if you have a partner, you can’t be with them.
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They’re crawling with diseases.
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You don’t even necessarily get that much better of a sleep because you’re in giant open rooms with tons of people snoring, coughing, and having psychotic episodes around you.
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Crime and assault are common.
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You have to wait in line for ages.
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You can’t store anything there and you have to leave in the morning, so you’re still on the streets most of the time
In a word, it’s not really housing.
The generally accepted solution to actually providing housing to the homeless is to give them what’s called Permanent Supportive Housing (PSH). PSH is where you get a small room of one’s own, with your own key. In the fancier ones you get your own kitchen and bathroom. In the more frugal ones, you share the bathroom and kitchen with a few other people.
But you’ve got a door with a lock. You’ve got your own room where you can store your stuff in the day, including just staying inside if you want to. No need to spend your days on the streets or in libraries.
The “supportive” part of PSH is that then usually this is where a whole bunch of supportive services are concentrated, such as programs to help you quit an addiction or get your meds, etc.
The stats you’ve heard about how a decent chunk of the homeless refuse shelter is about them refusing shelters.
Not PSH.
PSH is different.
When researchers ran the hardest version of the experiment - a randomized trial offering permanent supportive housing to the most impaired chronically homeless people in Santa Clara County, people averaging five hospitalizations and three jail stays in the prior two years - the vast majority moved in and stayed housed. People don't refuse housing. They refuse shelters.
Also, while we’re on the subject of PSH - the bulk of the ability to build enough of these will be making the city by-right. However, there’s also a good ~50% increase in costs of building if the government funds it compared to only private funding. This is largely driven by union-wage mandates, gold-plated design requirements, and the multi-year scramble to assemble a dozen funding sources. This is another lever to pull on, though lower priority than simply making it easier in general to build in SF.
In conclusion: please spread this so the right people read this and implement it
I am not a politician or an organizer. I hate coordinating with my friends to choose a restaurant, let alone trying to wade into politics. But it will take politics and organizing to get this to actually happen.
Please like and share this with anybody you know who’s an organizer, a politician, etc. (Specifically Scott Wiener if you can. He seems to share a similar view on the problem and has already been doing great work in the area.)
There are so many people who care about the homeless, whether out of compassion or self-interest. There are so many people who care about affordable housing for altruistic and personal preferences. This is a thing we can solve. Most of the world already has. Just because it’s complex and requires a lot of things to go right doesn’t mean it can’t work. Electricity supply is wildly complex and we manage it fine.
We can make the changes while respecting the dignity of both the homeless and the Carls.
Let’s make this world a little bit better here. We can do it.
Comments Section
I agree with much of what you are saying: homelessness is mostly a housing problem. Your recommendations for building enough housing are generally good, and some of it already exists
When you say "Pass a law at the state level saying:..." it broadly already exists in california and is called the builders remedy
https://www.yimbylaw.org/buildersremedy
Supply will eventually help enormously, and Houston is the example. The homelessness rate in Houston is 90% lower than in San Francisco.
I have a bias. I know a Salvation Army officer who basically specializes in the homeless-cross-substance-abuse space and according to them, "some people are just outside dogs."
Part of the bias is that this was for central-east ( Space Coast ) Florida, which is a pleasant place weatherwise and has a lot of veterans. Lotta working homeless.
But in LA? Probably a lot a housing problem. I've had several opportunities to work there and housing was just a big problem in general, even with per diem.
It will be hard to get enough housing supply in SF just by building more. Other places can just build out but sf is penned in in three directions. Plus there are more people priced out than just the homeless. Definitely give it a shot though.
When San Francisco has the housing density of New York City or Tokyo, maybe I'll buy that land area is the main problem. But not before.
SF is a little more dense than Tokyo Metropolis. Of US cities with over 500K population, San Francisco is the second densest. Should it be as dense as NYC or Tokyo core? Sure, why not.
SF is almost 6x as dense as Austin, Texas
Completely disagree. about 60% of SF is just single family homes. Land is not the problem, it's willingness to build dense housing that is the problem
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b2/30/16/b2301601adfddcb8d0d71ca556f47f3f.jpg
The single family homes are filled with people who like living there though. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Sunset_District_Drone_Shot_07APR2018.png?utm_source=en.wikipedia.org&utm_campaign=imageinfo&utm_content=original I am not saying that the sunset is laid out well. It isn't. I am just saying it is hard to transition this sort of layout to something denser. I don't think there should be rules against it or any thing. There are not even a lot of walkable amenities out there. But again, give it a shot.
There is two ways to get more housing in SF:
Build more: but on an already dense 6x6 mile peninsula, good luck with that. Almost all building first requires demo'ing, which is extremely disruptive for everyone nearby (with real health consequences).
Remove rent control: 60%+ of housing units are under rental ordinance in SF. Removing it would add that all supply back into the housing market nearly immediately.
One of these is battling physics. One of these is pen and paper.
SF density is laughably low, about 60% of the Bronx for example. Both of these solutions are needed simultaneously.
I'm all for building more housing. But the question that always seems to go unanswered is "Why, if the issue is expensive housing, do the homeless not leave SF?" Why not move to Arkansas and try to get an apartment there? Surely, whatever the chances of that working, it's far higher than thinking that you'll get a place to stay where rents are $3k a month? SF will never get cheap enough to match Arkansas housing, no matter how much housing one builds.
My supposition is that the homeless don't want to leave SF because homelessness is a big enough problem that they don't have to worry about being targeted on an individual level. In other words, if they move to Arkansas, they might get picked up by the police on loitering charges or something and end up in jail, even if they aren't actually doing anything wrong.
In SF, there are so many homeless people that they can't do that at any scale, and have to focus on (some fraction of) the homeless people who are actually harassing others.
classic "different types of homeless people" issue here. lots of the types of homeless people you're talking about do leave for cheaper places, as do even more people who aren't homeless yet but can't afford to stay in SF long term.
meanwhile, drug addicts and others who prefer not to participate in society, and would rather live on the street, have no incentive to leave the comfortable weather and permissive legal environment of the west coast. they are also too impoverished to leave even if they wanted to. you need some money to move to arkansas, though it isn't nearly as expensive as leftists and progressives like to claim in these debates.
Largely agree. Drug addiction isn't going to be solved by suggesting they move to a low CoL area. The plan for drug addicts seems to be, if they can be said to have one, is "do more drugs until I die".
And we should very clearly make it harder to do that, and we can. We have the surveillance to track down the drug dealers, we know who and where they are. We just need to make it okay to incarcerate them.
Years of leftist DAs and judges not incarcerating people for breaking that law has done tremendous damage here.
The correlation between housing costs and homelessness does not run through people choosing between renting an apartment or becoming homeless. For someone with no job and a drug addiction a 500/month apartment might as well be a 5000/month one if they are directly renting it and therefore moving does not help. The way housing costs influence homelessness is:
People who lose their income. In high housing cost areas they have fewer months of runway and are more likely to lose their living place. Moving at this point isn't possible even if they are still housed because they can't get income verified for a lease.
In lower housing cost areas people are more likely to have an extra room or couch someone can crash on. There are lots of people just permanently staying with various family members who would otherwise be homeless. This is much harder when there are fewer spare bedrooms.
Charities, churches, and friends can step in and pay your 1000/month rent for a few months. This is a lot harder when housing prices go up. There are also fewer places renting on various programs like section 8 so longer waiting periods.
Yes, if you have a drug addiction, that's a problem in addition to being homeless, as covered elsewhere in this thread (and explicitly called out several times in the OP as being out-of-scope).
Surely, we can agree that the best course of action isn't to wait until you're homeless in SF? The best shot you have is to delay being evicted for several months, get whatever job you can, and save enough to move out of SF.
With family like that, who needs enemies? "Sorry Dave, we would let you crash here, but we don't have an extra bedroom for you, and no, you can't just sleep on the floor, because that would be inhumane. Anyway, good luck living on the sidewalk."
They still could chip in to pay your rent, just not in SF. Yes, that would probably mean a change in job, but far better than homelessness.
Because their family and friends and support networks live in SF, not Arkansas?
'Cheaper housing' doesn't just mean homeless people can suddenly afford rent on their own. More often, it means that their friends and family can afford their own homes/apartments instead of subletting one room, and can afford to let their unemployed friends/family live with them until thy can get back on their feet, or until someone else can take them or awhile.
This is one of those 'reality has a surprising amount of depth' things. You can't understand this issue without understanding the full complexity of how people live their lives. Simplifying things down into a few concepts or numbers doesn't work.
If your "family, friends and support network" allow you to remain homeless, then you have none of those things.
If the issue is deeper (abject refusal to work, drug addiction, etc.), that's a different story, but the base case covered here of someone who's down on their luck should (ideally) be able to stay with friends/family or (less ideally) move out of the city into a low CoL area.
Any friend worth their name would let their friend sleep in one's own room (on the floor, if necessary) rather than see them homeless.
I agree with this. There are certainly scenarios one could construct where it could be rational to stay in SF. I just don't think they are particularly common, and if I'm giving general advice, I'd stick with what I've written here and suggest they move out of SF.
You're missing the case where a person's family and friends are also homeless. Even "that dude in the next tent over, who yells about Obama when he's high, but last month stabbed a dude who was gonna rape you" can count as a supportive friend that a person wouldn't want to leave behind. And encampments have communities, when they're allowed to remain long enough to develop them. People form connections and relationships that they care about and wish to preserve, even in the most desperate circumstances.
If you have trusted people with you, then you have even more of an incentive to move out of SF, with your loved ones, who can share costs of housing.
One can be glad he protected you while also not committing to remain homeless for the rest of their life for his sake. One can even get back on their own feet and try to get him some help later in life.
Relationships that require you to remain in very bad circumstances can, at best, be described as co-dependency, and, at worst, is a cult.
In any case, getting out is the better move.
How would a person with no money or support move to arkansas?
How did many of them move to California?
do you think they did so with no money and no support? already homeless?
Some maybe, but it's a moot point. The question isn't money and support. If they were shipped on a bus, that works both ways.
and the lack of agency or will doesnt concern you at all? too bad to sad you have to go live in arkansas now?
Often, it's assumed that when someone suggests the best course of action, that that person is implying it is easy. I'm not implying that. What I'm saying is just that though, it's the best course of action given their circumstances.
My claim is that, if one is trying to escape homelessness, the best way to do that may very well be to scrape together a few hundred dollars however you can and then move to a low CoL area. The alternative (staying in SF trying to earn several thousand a month just to afford rent) is not the way to do that.
In any case... there are actually programs for this given that you "have family" wherever you're going. Critics (probably correctly) note that this is just intended to get the homeless out of the city, but that doesn't mean it also isn't their best option.
ok but that doesnt really answer the q, i dont think it would be easy, im asking how it could be done, youd presumably need:
- first and last rent
- transportation expenses
- a job waiting for you
It would be nice if you have all of those things (minus transportation expenses, which are handled by the program). It would, in fact, be ideal if there was a government program to help you land a job and have a place to stay for a bit. But in the absence of that, you'd be in a better position even without those things by moving to a low CoL area.
In the worst case scenario, you move to Arkansas though the program, camp out for a bit living a pretty awful life for a bit, find a minimum wage job (or three), or do some begging, save up first and last's month rent, then get housing.
Easy? No. Should this be the solution in a rich country like the US? Also no. Better than living the rest of your life in SF homeless? Yes.
Do you know how much it costs to move interstate, while giving up on all the friendships and social supports you have? How is a person without stable accommodation going to get the money, resources and contacts together to do this? Maybe there's some program I don't know about, but I can't see how it could happen without someone paying the person to move. And if you're doing that, why not just give that money to the person?
If you're homeless?
I'd estimate around $100-200.
It's unclear if you mean "financial costs" or "social costs". The former is extremely cheap, a bus ticket plus a few expenses to move. Comparing apples-to-apples, that's about all you'd need (homeless in one area versus homeless in another). The difference is that you'd be in an area where you might be able to work your way into housing, whereas that's quite unlikely as a homeless person in SF.
Social costs are much harder to pin down (as are things like "local knowledge useful for being homeless" and similar things).
Still, I can't see a good long-term plan not involving moving to a cheaper CoL area. Maybe it's best to save up money is SF then move directly into an apartment in Arkansas, or maybe it's better to move immidiately, be homeless in Arkansas for a bit, and find a job there that let's you pay rent. The best plan probably involves grabbing some homeless friends you can trust and moving there all together, to split costs, but in any case.... there is no good plan that's based on "be homeless in SF and wait until SF housing prices are low enough for me to rent".
Honestly...
This sounds pretty axiomatic to me. Without like, really good supporting evidence, I would believe this isn't true, and further find the two sentences to be a little contradictory. If you can predict who becomes homeless, you already know how many people will become homeless. I know what he's really saying is that drug and mental health problems determine the pool from which homeless people are selected from, but I think that then would ignore the fact that a larger pool of people with drug and mental health problems will almost certainly result in a larger pool of homeless people, irrespective of housing prices.
It's not to say that for some people, housing prices have don't an effect, but to overall attribute how many people are homeless feels like it's not supported by evidence, and if evidence were drummed up, it would be oversimplified, since a lot of places like in California have higher homeless populations partly because there's more social support for homeless people (so it's a good destination) and the weather is more forgiving of living outside. Two things that correlate with housing costs already.
Lots of places harass homeless people until they leave. That isn't really a solution.
Where did I suggest harassing homeless people?
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Did you even read the post
Your assumptions are largely off, and so your analysis fails to apply accurately to San Francisco.
I suspect you're thinking too literally about the problem. "Homeless" or "Unhoused" are not primary adjectives, they are words we in polite society have adopted because "hobo" or "bum" or "fent zombie" are impolite. The issue is not and never was housing, it's the drugs, or more properly, the significant decline in the ability to take care of activities of daily living caused by frequent opioid abuse. Don't let the usage of polite terminology distract you.
Homeless people respond poorly to abstract rational incentives. Mostly, homelessness in the Bay Area isn't a housing problem. Most "homeless people", or at least the ones people complain about, have serious mental health problems significantly exacerbated by substance use. Their brains are deeply sick and they are unable to take care of themselves. You can build all the housing in the world and it won't help.
One thing I think about: in a place like NYC, Atlanta, or Boston, there are very real concerns with the well-being of the homeless come winter or summer. In the bay area, where the weather is generally safe, I don't see a compelling moral need to provide housing to them. Many of these people are veterans of the streets who find more comfort in their favorite overpass than they would an unfamiliar apartment.
Remember: the vast majority of people who have been priced out of SF have… moved down the street. The majority of homeless people in SF probably aren't even in originally from SF, they've migrated there for the good drugs, effective services, and safe weather.
But let's leave that aside and assume you're talking about rents.
I don't live in SF, but it is the rare American city that is genuinely beautiful. That beauty is a public good in part paid for by zoning restrictions. Simply upzoning the whole city is a recipe for discontent – a single ugly or poorly handled building can ruin a nice neighborhood, and engender much greater political opposition. A much better approach would be targeting specific areas for intensive upzoning, which their new zoning rules largely do. Zoning changes also fail to scale local infrastructure, sewage, roads, schools, commercial areas, transit, etc., and this just leads to worse QOL for all involved. It's a piss-poor unimaginative solution, one in my experience best suit for people who are afraid of the government and policy solutions that don't fit into tweets.
SF's high rents are most proximally caused by changes on the demand side, and the solutions would likely work well there too– a Pied-a-Terre tax or a city progressive income tax. Moving state & federal services out of the city proper would likely help too. The biggest declines in SF rents came from COVID and from Trump's immigration laws, and I don't think either of these had much impact on supply.
While your analysis for SF is off base, I do think that much of what you said would be helpful in a city with plentiful land, bad weather, sober and employable homeless people, and low civic engagement. Like Houston.
I think the 80% of homeless/unhoused OP is talking about is not necessarily the population you're thinking about. IIRC most homeless have some sort of temporary shelter (car, couch surfing, etc); however, they don't have permanent stable housing. The ones you're talking about are the rough sleepers with serious issues, which would be the ones that would ideally go into the permanent supportive housing that (at least attempts) to meet their more significant needs.
Dallas resident here.
I’m not sure that our reduced homeless population is down to prices. The median rent in DFW is somewhere around Baltimore, Las Vegas, or Austin, all of which have much higher rates. It’s very hard to draw trends; I know Austin made a hard pivot to YIMBY which may or may not have borne fruit. But the relationship is definitely more complicated than pure housing supply/demand.
This might be a case where the median is misleading; the marginal homeless person isn’t competing for the median apartment. I don’t know enough about the distributions to say how this shakes out.
Anyway, I’m confused about one thing in particular. Why didn’t Houston opt out en masse? Block-by-block voting should follow the same incentives as the neighborhood veto. The people who didn’t live there yet still couldn’t vote themselves in. Something had to be different in the fundamentals. Does Houston have more industrial zones? More sparse developments? Do its residents just love the sound of construction?
Austin saw sustained decreases in rent rates.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/01/22/austin-texas-rents-falling/
A not inconsequential obstacle to effectively addressing homelessness is the propensity to moralizing either homelessness itself or their various maladies. In some cases, as seen in this very thread.
This is so absolutely not the correct diagnosis. You have written a wonderful treatise based on the "homeless people are homeless because housing is expensive and how we can fix it" premise like these people are going to their minimum wage jobs and then sleeping in tent cities because they can't afford rent without making any attempt to prove your initial premise.
Chronically homeless = drugs + mental illness. None of these people could remain housed if you gave them the housing for free. They would rapidly trash the property making it unlivable first for any unfortunates living near them and then themselves.
The closest to this is "housing first" policies where they are given housing and then high level mental and drug services. Just building housing doesn't fix any of this.
Yes, the crux of the issue is always the drugs + mental illness. Overlooking this precludes any possible resolution.
An excellent write-up on the subject. I think I agree with everything you've written (which may be a first in all of ACX history).
You need to get rid of the ability of third parties to veto developments where there isn’t a strict safety or sanitary case. That is, have any delta between the proposed development and the reduced one (if one is allowed at all) be considered a taking which must be compensated for by the local government. This would be a de facto zoning deregulation which would allow housing to rise elastically with demand.
Homelessness is a public policy choice. As you have pointed out, solving homelessness is relatively cheap. Solving underlying mental health and addiction problems are harder, but much easier to do with a housed person than an unhoused one.
Cities have unhoused people because they are happy with the situation. No politician is being asked to solve the problem, no-one is standing on a 'Let's fix Homelessness' platform.
It's a choice cities make.
I think a lot of conversations miss that it's often homelessness that causes the mental health and substance use issues not the inverse. Someone who becames homeless due to losing a job can quickly develop more serious issues once on the street.
I like the write up
At the very beginning, though, as you make the point that this problem is solvable because it doesn't exist elsewhere, I can't help but think that's spurious reasoning.
When comparing the West Coast to other areas, did you take into account that most cities in the world kill all the people sleeping outside at least once a year? In places other than the West Coast, you cannot permanently have more people than there exists indoor shelter. They die.
Though it sounds bizarre to us on the West Coast, out in the real world they have this thing called "weather"
If the logic is that SF can solve homelessness by simply doing what New York does, then you're technically suggesting that, among other things, we have a yearly purge where all who are able huddle indoors and the rest are mass-murdered. Which, for the record, would work. It might even satisfy your "help the homeless" requirement depending on your interpretation of the Mere Addition paradox. I think you'll agree it has some downsides, though
Only 10 homeless people freeze to death annually in NYC and they have a right to shelter with hundreds of thousands of shelters.
Isn’t that because of the shelter capacity? u/Daruuk
Close all those shelters and most of NYC’s homeless population would either flee the city or die. Supply, demand.
NY only averages around a dozen homeless deaths due to cold per annum. Weather can't explain the disparity.
And NY is a poor example for another reason-- they have a higher per capita homeless rate than California!
This is a truly low effort and not-well-researched argument.
What about the this part: “Drugs and mental health determine who becomes homeless” ?
I’d add healthcare here too as a safety net issue - lose your health, lose your job, lose your housing
Add gentrification too - people still moved to SF even with the rise in housing costs
Are there California cities that don’t have the homeless problem you see in SF ?
Is it a ying & yang situation where you get the extreme riches and the extreme poverty?
SF is an attractive city for people seeking comfortable lifestyle at the high end and it doesn’t and shouldn’t exclude those on the low end. At the same time affordable goes against the capitalist system where we use price as a signal.
Housing being expensive is a signal to people to move out - but moving out breaks the social fabric that acts as a safety net against poverty, homelessness and mental health.
“I came here to build my tech startup, send these people to Houston” doesn’t work
It's crazy that people regularly state this as a constraint.
If everyone who wants to live in SF can live in SF, then just about all Americans (and non-Americans) would.
It's a market, not a god-given right.
It can't be solved. In a free society you will have people that just want to "wirehead". Sit around all day and stimulate the pleasure centers of the brain, right now the best way is via drugs but who knows in the near future.
It feels pretty good to do this, and who's to say that getting a job and contributing to society is actually a better path?
There's definitely a homeless industrial complex that doesn't want things to change, but there are also plenty of homeless that don't want things to change (they sometimes say they do but only at some perpetually distant time in future, for now they just want things as they are). Leave me in peace, this feels good right now. You can't even imagine. If you haven't, try it at least once to see what you're missing. The sense of well-being and happiness that drug can give you is so far beyond any earthly concern with housing.
Maslow was wrong, all you need is dopamine.
This feels like the most thought-terminating cliche I've heard in years.
"It can't be solved." - person from the country where homelessness is far worse than in other first world country
I don't think any other country has solved it either though
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Don't use AI to write comments.
Not interested in your input, the questions were for them.
You don’t need to read it.
Using AI to write comments is against the sub rules.
Here’s a whole article I wrote about the issues with moderation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Negentropy/s/7ttCiHbyqK
You could make a top-level post arguing against the rules.
Historically, that's been totally fine here. But just ignoring the rules because you don't personally agree with it is not how rules work.
Historically nothing I have ever had to say has been greeted with anything but rejection here, so I have my doubts.
I no longer post to most subreddits because people are not interested in having discussions.
I’m sorry if my questions are offensive in their format…but going around DM’ing people isn’t exactly considered appropriate either.
I’m not trying to create an issue, but fundamentally it’s…the OP posted, and I have questions…what options do I have?
DM questions….which is rude and frowned upon.
respond with questions
hand write out the questions…waste an hour…to get maybe a response
Most of these posts people make are not them interested in discussing the ideas, they are searching for attention. So, I ask just ask them questions to see if further engagement is worthwhile.
The OP used AI, so I figured responding with Ai was appropriate.
(Edit) And…I’ll delete my questions if the OP answers.
People aren't obligated to agree with you. But you're free to argue it.
My opinion is that if you're asking for OPs time, the least you can do is give your own. That's a perfectly normal thing to do. Everyone else commenting here is doing it.
The alternative is "I want you to respond, but don't want to put in any effort past prompting an LLM", which is, in my opinion, pretty rude.
And, in the process, you're wasting everyone's time who is reading your comment thinking that a person made it.